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APB 3.0.7.4 Changelog

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  • Added Kaskins' Imperial Age bullet tracers with his permission, to replace the outdated and broken emitter-based tracers.

Gotta have my  ï½ã€€ï½… s t h e t i c s

 

But seriously, thank you Kaskins for this!

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That updated water effect still isn't quite the same as what I used in my in-dev version, but it'll do. :)

 

A new minor Siege bug surfaced in this build: The destroyed scaffolding has persisting smoke emitters, while previously they did not. Said smoke emitter is placed at the "destroyed" model's origin position, which means it is floating in the air in-game. Previously, smoke would only trail behind the destruction animation, which lasts about 8 or so seconds. Did you touch these W3D files? If not, then something might be broken in the used scripts... Don't try to re-set those scripts however, it's a messy and undocumented maze of scripts and parameters (note for future LE iteration: script editor documentation space per preset, so other/future project team members can figure out why things are done).

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I haven't touched the scaffolding w3ds or presets so I don't know what's up there. e_turretsmoke1 has always been a "permanent" emitter though...

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I haven't touched the scaffolding w3ds or presets so I don't know what's up there. e_turretsmoke1 has always been a "permanent" emitter though...

 

Something certainly changed. I know the emitter is "permanent", but the animation that it was originally part of only lasted about 8 seconds, then a model (preset) swap occurs that changes the destroyed parts into a less demanding static model, without any emitters.

 

So it seems the effect is remaining for some reason. Perhaps it wasn't caused in this patch, but it certainly did not occur in my personal in-dev version... But we now both know that our development environments are different in a number of aspects (see the black water issue, that I could not create using the same files). Quite possibly this is just another side effect of not using the same environment or even tools.

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Actually it's not related to different development environments at all. Check your PMs, I don't think anyone else here wants to gaze into the abyss that is the bridge code :p

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My biggest concern with this update is the removal of the carpooling ability for MBTs.

 

Think of the children  memes   environment! What about all the CO2 we could have saved by driving more than 1 man per vehicle?

 

Now people are going to want a tank for themself!

 

 

Disclaimer: All the above is bullshit, and it seems like a great minipatch :)

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I'm also concerned about the change to MBTs.

 

Whose Medium Tank are those mechanics going to hitch a ride on now?

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You weren't concerned enough to vote in the thread about it apparently.

 

This is what APCs, minelayers, rangers, and supply trucks (both buyable and field spawns) are for. If the Alliederps decide they should get nothing but medium tanks and kill any supply trucks they find because muh recs, that's their problem.

 

I thought you of all people would be jumping for joy because it also means more infantry are in a position to be sniped.

 

Don't forget that this inhibits shock trooper/volkov hitchhiking as well.

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Its kind of weird that the light tank (m2 bradley) can't carry passengers despite the fact that in real life it is an IFV lol.

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Its kind of weird that the light tank (m2 bradley) can't carry passengers despite the fact that in real life it is an IFV lol.

It's a M24 Chaffee here.

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I voted to keep MBT passenger capability, as well as providing my reasoning, but the votes are there. :)


 

Its kind of weird that the light tank (m2 bradley) can't carry passengers despite the fact that in real life it is an IFV lol.

It's a M24 Chaffee here.

 


M24 Chaffee for life. My choice of tank, APB and WOT.
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Its kind of weird that the light tank (m2 bradley) can't carry passengers despite the fact that in real life it is an IFV lol.

It's a M24 Chaffee here.

 

Indeed. The Bradley was a Tib Dawn era vehicle and was used by Nod, not the Allies.

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Oops lol. And I just was in APB the other day. Too many mods to remember lol.

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You weren't concerned enough to vote in the thread about it apparently.

 

This is what APCs, minelayers, rangers, and supply trucks (both buyable and field spawns) are for. If the Alliederps decide they should get nothing but medium tanks and kill any supply trucks they find because muh reccomendations, that's their problem.

 

I thought you of all people would be jumping for joy because it also means more infantry are in a position to be sniped.

 

Don't forget that this inhibits shock trooper/volkov hitchhiking as well.

 

 

I figure that wasn't aimed for me.

 

I approve of this change because I see it as where you could do something like filling a few Mammoths up with Volkovs, and then let the passengers get dropped off to mess with internal repair efforts, you now have to either get more tanks to achieve same distance driven in tanks, or you have to coordinate with your team.

 

My only real complaint would be that you have to coordinate, but then again, it IS a team game after all. :).

 

Any case, the votes are in, the changes are implemented, lets see how it works out.

 

If it turns out that we get kicked in the nuts, cancer or something other unfortunate related to the MBT changes, well, I suppose its easier to reverse the changes than unkick a groin.

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I'm largely on the fence about this change. Whilst I saw the problem, it does penalise slower infantry out in the field, particularly when you are further away from a neutral track or from your base. I can see this change also leading to the destruction or even camping of these supply trucks from now on.

 

Could it be possible, at least for larger maps to include a third neutral truck so that slower infantry stand more of a chance being able to survive? Personally I have been trying several times to bring a supply truck whenever a large force is about to assault the enemy base. Either way, it's too early to tell yet.

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I'm on the fence as well. There are great reasons on both sides from what I see. I wonder though if there could be a compromise if it turns out that too many people hate this change. What if there was a passenger timer of sorts? You can't ride in the mammy the whole way to the enemy base but you could ride for say....15-30 seconds at a time with a 15 second cooldown timer before it will let you enter that vehicle as a passenger again? That way if you NEEDED to jump in someone's vehicle to avoid dying outside, you could! Just not permanently. Might be a little overkill for a solution, idk. Discuss :v

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Could it be possible, at least for larger maps to include a third neutral truck so that slower infantry stand more of a chance being able to survive? Personally I have been trying several times to bring a supply truck whenever a large force is about to assault the enemy base. Either way, it's too early to tell yet.

 

Know of any places to put them? Pretty much every landmark on large maps that's at a roughly equal distance between both bases (so it's not a clear advantage to one team or the other) already has either a supply truck, cargo truck or mobile AA gun, except for Siege (I should probably put a truck or two on that map) and they all respawn on a 30 second timer.

 

And as I mentioned in the thread, you also have the option of using a minelayer for 2-man transport - a no-brainer for Allies to bring to the field since that's where you want to lay mines, and not a bad option for Soviets either if you can pin down any places in the field that Allied snipers/rockets like to strike from. Or places you want your infantry to strike from while being safe from Tanyas. And rangers and APCs for the Allies, so if they have at least one of those in the field, taxiing should not be an issue for them.

 

 

 

Sounds like a delightfully obtuse gameplay mechanic that will just confuse everyone who hasn't read this thread.

Alternatively we can just bump the sprinting speed up a notch.

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Yeah I am not a fan of changes that actually reduce the ability to perform teamwork. That's actually one of the reasons why I liked the stock renegade engineer/technician game mechanics. It encouraged teammates to work as a team. I liked the fact that the vehicle/building/infantry repair was all rolled into one unit. It was a necessary change in my opinion since one player can't control 100's of units like in the RTS. 

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stock renegade engineer/technician game mechanics. It encouraged teammates to work as a team.

 

And both teams were almost identical, with the only truly noteworthy differences being that one team gets a stealth tank/stealth infantry while the other gets a big points sponge and a better rocket soldier. Not the most interesting dichotomy. If we make technicians/engineers into omnirepairmedics here then that means we basically have to rebalance the game from scratch again because the unit balance is currently built around only one team being able to repair tanks in the field and heal infantry in the midst of a firefight. And it'll likely boil down to both teams becoming identical again save for availability of phase tanks/mammoth tanks and become a Renegade clone and that's not what this is supposed to be.

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Know of any places to put them? Pretty much every landmark on large maps that's at a roughly equal distance between both bases

The battlefield is a warzone, so that argument doesn't really hold, it's likely that you'd find such assets lying about wherever. Plus I did say for the larger maps, KOTG is a prime example where there's plenty of neglected spaces and just general emptiness. Same for Pipeline and RidgeWar especially. I really have a difficult time in understanding at where the positioning of a neutral supply truck would in anyway affect the balance (granted they're not obviously in or just outside your base). In fact, even if that was the case, I'd make them first spawn in as partially damaged to emphasis that again, it's a warzone.

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stock renegade engineer/technician game mechanics. It encouraged teammates to work as a team.

 

And both teams were almost identical, with the only truly noteworthy differences being that one team gets a stealth tank/stealth infantry while the other gets a big points sponge and a better rocket soldier. Not the most interesting dichotomy. If we make technicians/engineers into omnirepairmedics here then that means we basically have to rebalance the game from scratch again because the unit balance is currently built around only one team being able to repair tanks in the field and heal infantry in the midst of a firefight. And it'll likely boil down to both teams becoming identical again save for availability of phase tanks/mammoth tanks and become a Renegade clone and that's not what this is supposed to be.

 

 

The points bug regarding the Mammoth is fixed actually in scripts 4.x. That was an unintentional points calculation error that westwood made.

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The battlefield is a warzone, so that argument doesn't really hold, it's likely that you'd find such assets lying about wherever.

 

Fair enough. I'd rather not have them in a position where they'd get in the way of tanks and therefore encourage them to blow them up though, so that still limits their placement a little.

 

KOTG: The big northeastern plateau of nothing (i.e. the opposite side of the map from the house), or possibly the gem field.

Pipeline: The shack by the central oil derrick, or possibly expand the nearby partisan cave to have shelter for a truck?

Ridge War: Central bunker (between the heavy/mammy corpses), or possibly the far west map boundary.

Siege: Anywhere around the castle courtyard. Possibly two, one on each "side".

 

I thematically like the idea of having them be damaged. Many of the supply truck spawns are around ruins anyway. It might inhibit their use a bit though, making them less likely to reach their destination if attacked. So if I were to do this I'd have it be random and only down to 180/250 health (i.e. just enough for them to start smoking)

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(...) has either a supply truck, cargo truck or mobile AA gun, except for Siege (I should probably put a truck or two on that map) and they all respawn on a 30 second timer.

 

Fun fact for those who forgotten about it; The original Mobile AA Gun vehicle (not the current re-rig) was a neutral capturable vehicle (3 of them) in Siege's 2008 QA iteration. For this reason I toyed with the Soviet counterpart, a Mobile SAM Launcher, in the Siege development thread. 

 

I axed the Mobile SAM Launcher but if a desire for it exists I can certainly finish the model/rigging/presets, then Pushwall would have two anti-air vehicles to throw into various maps, which is a little more worthwhile than generic Supply Trucks.

 

Edit: Referring to this 30 minute duct-tape job. If given more time, I could do a lot more with it of course.

 

 

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Edit2: FYI there is actually already a vehicle hidden somewhere in Siege, I figured I'd drop that hint now since nobody figured that one out yet... And some people kept telling me players find all secrets in less than 24 hours, hah!

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Yeah I am not a fan of changes that actually reduce the ability to perform teamwork. That's actually one of the reasons why I liked the stock renegade engineer/technician game mechanics. It encouraged teammates to work as a team. I liked the fact that the vehicle/building/infantry repair was all rolled into one unit. It was a necessary change in my opinion since one player can't control 100's of units like in the RTS.

A lot of players flowed from Renegade to APB back in 2005-2007 because it was so different. Renegade's team cooperation was most often forced as the maps were very small (except for a few) and on a lot of maps you have always just seen advance wars gameplay (whoever controlled the field usually won).

APB changes that with bigger maps and the "not everyone can repair vehicles anywhere for free".

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A lot of players flowed from Renegade to APB back in 2005-2007 because it was so different. Renegade's team cooperation was most often forced as the maps were very small (except for a few) and on a lot of maps you have always just seen advance wars gameplay (whoever controlled the field usually won).

APB changes that with bigger maps and the "not everyone can repair vehicles anywhere for free".

To add onto this, Renegade had a lot of box canyon maps with few routes for actual strategy, so the gameplay ended up being a lot of meatgrinder gameplay with people sitting in the same place and shooting/repairing the whole round.

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Edit2: FYI there is actually already a vehicle hidden somewhere in Siege,

 

And you know just as well as I do that it's useless for what we're talking about and shouldn't count :v

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